A history of 410
(formerly known as OC
), from Brixton, south London.
The Guide to UK Drill
has a short paragraph about 410, but for people new to UK Drill (or not from the area) I thought you might find their actual backstory interesting. It's also a demonstration of how deep the UK Drill scene actually goes.
The gang originated in the Myatts Field Estate in Brixton (SW9). Their territory also includes the nearby Vassall Road and Cowley blocks. The area borders with Camberwell (SE5), Kennington (SE11) and Walworth (SE17) on one side, and with Angell Town Estate in Brixton on the other.
OC stood for 'Organised Crime' or 'One Chance'. The Myatts Field Estate was nicknamed 'Baghdad', and Myatts Field associated with the colour green.
OC (Myatts Field Estate) were linked with PDC (Peel Dem Crew, from the neighbouring Angell Town Estate). They were also cool with a set called SMS (South Man Syndicate). Some of the earliest music from OC was collaborations with SMS and PDC artists:
In this era, prominent OC members included Lox
, Komoshen, Mad Mikes, Rampz, Sleeks, Ratty
and many others. At this time their main beef was with Peckham (Shoot Instant/PYG) and Black Prince (BYM) from Kennington. Death of Tiny Alien
In 2006, a young OC member named Tiny Alien
by BYM (now known as Kuku) at Black Prince, Kennington. He went to Kennington on a glide but ended up getting stabbed to death. His death made further media headlines
after photos emerged of him posing with guns. He was only 15 when he died, and the younger generation's biggest loss.
Younger members of OC (Tiny OC) became more active in music and in general. They included Young Troopz
, Lil Dread, Killa Buzz, Madantz, Fire Armz
The birth of GAS Gang - minor OC v GAS feud
In this era, the gangs PDC (Angell Town Estate) and MZ (Somerleyton Estate) disbanded. The youngers from Angell Town and Somerleyton, led by Ard Adz, formed GAS Gang. At first there was resistance from Myatts Field, and a feud started between the GAS (Angell Town/Somerleyton) members and OC (Myatts Field) members. In the following track, OC members take shots at GAS:
GAS members responded taking shots at OC, over the same beat:
After this, the Brixton olders squashed the beef between Myatts Field (OC) and Angell Town/Somerleyton (GAS), and they became united again. Kinda important because they were facing a united enemy: the Peckham Boys
(SN1, SI and PYG). Political Peak
and Ard Adz made light of the 'Hard Bars' diss tracks by merging their verses into a new track called 'Beef Eww'
. It had a music video but that got taken down.
GAS Gang became an alliance between the young members from Myatts Field, Angell Town, Loughborough and Somerleyton - four major estates of Brixton. The younger members from Myatts Field repped both OC and GAS. Older members from Myatts Field just repped OC.
GAS was represented by the colour green (for Myatts Field) and purple (for Angell Town):
In early 2008, a prominent OC member Ratty
was shot dead on the Myatts Field Estate
, and the murder is unsolved to this day:
Peckham 'Gunshot Riddim' v Brixton 'Bullet Riddim'
The war between Brixton (OC/GAS) and Peckham (SI/PYG) was fully cracking at this point. In early 2008, SI/PYG released one of their first music videos, filmed at the Peckham multi-storey car park:
That summer there were back-and-forth shootings between OC and SI members. In one incident, OC rode out on Walworth Road and caught Snap Capone and Butch (SI members) slipping. Snap and Butch ran into the Costcutter store and OC shot at them from the outside, but ended up killing a civilian
. That made big media headlines. One thing that has to be mentioned was that OC were ruthless, they didn't care if civilians got hit if they were in the way. "Civilians move"
Not long afterwards, OC/GAS released a response track to Gunshot Riddim in which OC members mocked Snap and Butch for running in the above incident: "remember what we flew in Wooly Road"
... "had you running in the shop like you're buying suttin"
... "my dargs only run when they see the riot van"
(etc). The video was filmed on the Myatts Field Estate:
Gunshot Riddim v Bullet Riddim was the start of the back-and-forth diss music videos between Brixton (OC/GAS) and Peckham (SI/PYG). Cracking on the streets and over Youtube. In my opinion, this era was the origins of what we now call the UK Drill scene.
Lox and Kearz release solo mixtapes
In 2008, Lox
released the mixtape 'I Du Diz 4 Fun', and Kearz
released 'King of the Fields'. Both mixtapes were full of shots towards Peckham. Lox's mixtape was notable for his remix of 'Talking The Hardest'.
In December 2007, Giggs (Peckham) released the 'Talking The Hardest
' freestyle. In 2008, Lox
responded over the same beat, dissing the Peckham Boys and especially the Shoot Instant set (which Snap Capone was a member of). This is a legendary music video in the Peckham v Brixton beef:
OC members popularised certain terms and phrases, which were associated with them through their music. The most famous examples were "cruddy" and "la la la", common catchphrases and adlibs in OC/GAS songs.
Brixton (OC/GAS) links up with Old Kent Road (OBY)
GAS leader Ard Adz continued to build alliances against Peckham, and linked up OC/GAS with OBY from Old Kent Road (SE1). Old Kent Road was nicknamed 'Brooklyn' and they were also beefing Peckham at the time. The most prominent OBY member in music was John Wayne. The first track they made together was 'Brooklyn to Baghdad' (Old Kent Road to Myatts Field):
Ard Adz went to prison soon afterwards. Young Troopz
continued the music collaborations between Brixton and Old Kent Road, releasing two music videos with John Wayne in November 2008:
A month later, December 2008, PYG members released 'Coming Up
'. In the second verse, M1 (aka Young Gunna D) disses OC: "you little pricks make me laugh when you're talking 'cruddy'...".
Just a few weeks after Young Troopz dropped 'Cruddy'.
2009 Brixton v Peckham continues
It would be way too long to list all the disses and responses between Brixton (OC/GAS) and Peckham (SI/PYG) at this point, but the beef was cracking. It was popularly followed by young Londoners across the city, in the same way that UK Drill beef is now. Many of the music videos were uploaded to a YouTube channel called Southbitz (since been deleted), and each topped a million views. I'll just mention a few tracks, but there were many more:
PYG responded to 'OC/GAS - Bullet Riddim', in which OC mocked Peckham members for running during a shooting on Walworth Road. 16-year old Young Size (PYG) starts the track by stating: "You had two turners but never turned nothing, when I roll up on your block I'ma turn something off. He thinks he can try come Wooly Road and bark it off, but when I ride up on your block, little dickheads sliding off"
In early 2009, Giggs (Peckham) released a music video for 'Freestyle 09
'. At this time Giggs was the hottest rapper in the game, and had recently won the first ever 'Best International Act' at the BET Hip Hop Awards. In April, OC/GAS released 'Ard 3Style' over the same beat. The song includes various disses towards Giggs and Peckham, and the music video was filmed on the Myatts Field Estate:
In May 2009, PYG members Stigs and Shocks dropped a music video for 'Rec A G
' - one of the most legendary tracks to be dropped by youngers in the UK scene. The song doesn't mention anyone specifically, but it's clearly directed at Brixton. A month later, OC/GAS dropped a block freestyle in which they diss Peckham back. They reference lyrics in 'Rec A G' and mock Shocks' adlib "ya liar":
In summer 2009, PYG members Shocks and Young Size released 'Police & Thief
', dissing Brixton. In response, OC/GAS released their reply, dissing Peckham over the same beat. It became one of the biggest tracks in the scene that summer, and the music video was filmed on Myatts Field Estate:
That year, Young Troopz
was the most active OC member in music. By this point he was considered one of the best youngers in the UK scene. He was also one of the more respected young members on road.
'The Truth' CCTV video
In 2009, the police were investigating certain Peckham (PYG) members due to their war with Brixton (OC/GAS). Police sent the Peckham members' lawyers CCTV footage of Brixton and Peckham sliding on each others' territories, as proof that they had evidence of their involvement. A PYG associate took the footage, annotated it and uploaded it to Youtube.
Part 1 of the footage shows PYG members sliding to Angell Town Estate in Brixton at night. Part 2 shows OC/GAS members sliding to the Peckham frontline in broad daylight. The annotations were written to to make OC/GAS look bad. The original upload was in better quality and gained over a million views, but this is the only clip left on YouTube:
After PYG uploaded the footage, OC/GAS and their allies YRS (Young Roadside G's) released the video 'Ur Liars', accusing PYG of lying in the annotations and cooperating with the police for the CCTV footage:
PYG member Young Size filmed himself on the Myatts Field Estate to further disrespect OC/GAS:
The new year saw Political Peak
return to music, dropping the mixtape 'More Than Peak Vol.1'. Two music videos from the project, featuring OC members Syikes
and Killa Buzz
Political Peak and Sneakbo became frequent collaborators, dropping a number of OC/GAS music videos through the year. Two of those tracks stood out as classics. 'Touch Ah Button' was one of the biggest songs in the scene, from the playgrounds to the clubs. In an old interview, Drake said that 'Touch Ah Button was his first introduction to the UK gang/rap scene
, an interest he's maintained to the present day:
The fall of Young Troopz Young Troopz
wasn't active in music in 2010 because he and several other OC members were on trial for the 2008 murder on Walworth Road. In the end, Young Troopz was jailed for 5 and a half years
for possessing the gun used in the murder. It was believed that Young Troopz talked during the investigation, so he was kicked out of OC and banned from Brixton. From this point onwards there's no mention of him by Brixton members in music or on social media.
Peckham civil war
2010 was also the year of the Peckham civil war: a major split within the Peckham Boys which reshaped territories and alliances within the Peckham, Camberwell and Walworth area. This pretty much brought an end to the Peckham v Brixton war.
2011-2012 Murders puts media spotlight on OC and Myatts Field
OC were once cool with ABM (M Block), a gang from nearby Stockwell. However, ABM had sided with TN1/86 (Tulse Hill) in their increasing beef with Brixton. Plus Brixton were linked with 031 (Wandsworth Road) who were ABM's main opps. These ties caused OC and ABM to fall out.
In March 2011, OC members Killa Buzz
cycled from Myatts Field to Stockwell to score on ABM. Two members of ABM ran into the Stockwell Food and Wine store to hide, and OC shot into the store from the outside. The bullets hit the shop owner and his 5-year old niece Thusha Kamaleswaran, paralysing her. CCTV of the incident
was released by the police, which was a big media story at the time. Killa Buzz was sentenced to minimum 17 years, Madantz and Kaz both got a minimum 14
. This was only a few years after the Costcutter shooting in 2008 under similar circumstances, so a lot of scrutiny was put on OC:
In May 2011, a 16-year old OC member Nathan
murdered a 15-year old boy named Temidayo Ogunneye on the Myatts Field Estate. Temidayo had gone to Myatts Field to retrieve a Blackberry that had been stolen by young OC members earlier that day, but got stabbed to death once on OC territory. Following his trial, Nathan was sentenced to a minimum of 14 years:
OC leaders leave gang life
A female pastor named Mimi Asher was living on the Myatts Field Estate. She opened her house to OC members, and over time helped many turn away from gang life:
Two outstanding members of OC, Lox
(Karl Lokko) and Boost
(Terroll Lewis), found Christianity and left gang life behind. They have both been open about their former lives:
In this period, younger OC members like Tiny Syikes
became more active in music:
2013 OC change name to 410
The name OC had been tarnished by relentless media scrutiny, its main leaders had left road, and its beef with Peckham had died. It was like an old era had ended, and a new era was beginning.
Also Myatts Field Estate had been undergoing regeneration by this time, with the old blocks getting replaced by modern apartments. These changes were the inspiration for the new name of their gang. The Myatts Field Estate was being renamed as Oval Quarter,
so members took O¼
(Oval Quarter) and flipped it to become 4/10
. From now onwards, OC began to be known as 410
Younger 410 members continued releasing music:
GAS Gang splits
In late 2013, a leading GAS member from Somerleyton Estate (5 Star) accused a leading GAS member from Angell Town Estate (Sneakbo) of snitching, and dropped a statement in this tweet
. GAS Gang split as a result: the Angell Town faction formed 150, and the Somerleyton faction left as Siru/Siraq. The two blocks beef each other to this day. Myatts Fields (410) remained close with Angell Town (150), as they were before the GAS era.
In May, 410 had their first Westwood crib session featuring the some of the more senior members Political Peak
, Fire Armz
Early UK Drill era
Alongside 150 and 67, the younger 410 members were pioneers of the early UK Drill sound. In June 2014, Baby Troopz
, the younger brother of Young Troopz) released his first solo video:
In September 2014, members BT
, Tiny Syikes
released '4 Door Coming'. The song is considered a classic UK Drill track, and has since been referenced numerous times by other UK Drill artists:
410 ended the year with a 'No Hook' by BT
, the first 'No Hook' in UK Drill. Rendo's verse was considered one of the best in the early UK Drill scene:
410 started the year with an anthem including senior and younger members:
UK - Chicago Drill history made
In May 2015, Chicago drill artist THF TP used the '410 - 4 Door Coming
' beat for his track 'THF TP - Bus Stop
'. That's the first time a Drill beat from a UK song and producer was used by a Chicago drill artist. Bus Stop is considered a classic in the Chicago scene.
The rise of the duos BT
continued releasing music together consistently, and became many people's favourite duo in UK Drill. Some of the more prominent releases that year: AM
and Young Rendo
), part of a younger generation of 410 members, started releasing music together. They would develop into many people's favourite UK Drill duo's in time:
F Block mixtape
In October 2015, 410 released the F Block mixtape
, a classic squad tape in UK Drill.
410 started the year by dropping anthems.
The duo of BT
dropped 'Ten Toes', one of the most gassed tracks of the era:
The younger members Sparkz, Skengdo
started the year with 'Think Again'. The final verse by AM was very highly rated when it dropped:
410 also had their second Westwood Crib Session, featuring BT
, Tiny Syikes
, Mo Squeeze
Overall 2016 was another productive year for 410 with its main rappers (BT, Rendo, AM and Skengdo) consistently dropping music. Some examples:
Around this time, 410 was mainly occupied by its long term war with Kennington. 410 (Myatts Field) and Harlem (Kennington Park) are rival sets located very close to each other. Several 410 and Harlem members were childhood friends, due to how close both areas are. However, gang loyalties turned those childhood friends into gang enemies.
'Tennessee' is a chicken shop on Brixton Road, located between 410 and Harlem territory. In 2016 an infamous stabbing took place at that Tennessee, with police releasing CCTV of the incident
- MizOrMac (Harlem) in Kent Nizzy: "CCTV can vouch for the squaddy"
410 and Harlem both mention that chicken shop in their lyrics when dissing each other, to imply that they won't step beyond it into enemy territory:
- Skengdo (410) in Think Again: "no you don't come to the F, you go Tennessee you jokeman"
- Loski (Harlem) in Teddy Bruckshot: "and I don't go Tennessee jokeman, it was in Fields when I got (shh)"
2017 Golden era for 410
In January, 410's rivals Harlem dropped 'Harlem Spartans - Kennington Where It Started
'. It's considered by many as one of the best UK Drill tracks of all time. A couple of weeks later, 410 dropped 'Crash', one of Skengdo & AM's most iconic tracks:
In February, Skengdo & AM followed it by dropping 'No Lotion', 'Foolishness' and a collaboration with 17 (Wandsworth Road):
In March, AM follow up with 'No Filter', in which he takes various shots at Harlem:
March also saw 410's third Westwood Crib Session, featuring Skengdo
(Young AM), Blackz
and 3 Rounds
. Constant shots taken at Harlem:
At this point the beef between 410 and the Harlem Spartans was the biggest storyline in UK Drill. Both gangs were dropping popular tracks and continually taking shots at each other. In the midst of this hype, Skengdo & AM dropped their iconic 'Mad About Bars' freestyle. At over 20 million views, it's the most watched video ever released by 410:
In summer, 410 filmed a 'Behind Barz
' freestyle and a block cypher at the Cowley blocks, featuring Skengdo
On the same day, 410 also filmed two music videos:
Return of Sparkz
In late 2017, Sparkz
return to music dropping 'That's Funny', filmed in the Cowley blocks:
410 also had their fourth Westwood Crib Session, featuring younger members Jayslapit
, Young AM
Skengdo & AM drop debut mixtape
Skengdo & AM finished the year by releasing their debut mixtape, '2 Bunny
' and their debut 'Fire In The Booth
' freestyle on BBC 1Xtra. This was accompanied with multiple video releases, including:
BT & Rendo release 'Boom Bow' mixtape
In 2017, BT
released the 'Boom Bow' mixtape. Unfortunately it's been removed from YouTube and all streaming sites (which is a shame, because it's one of the best mixtapes in drill). In February, BT dropped a video for the mixtape's intro track:
In summer, a video was released for track 6: '2 Man Step'. The modern background in the music video demonstrates how much regeneration has changed the Myatts Field area:
In the autumn a music video was dropped for track 16: 'CR4SH£RS'. It's the first appearance by Tiny Syikes
since he returned from a brief stint in prison:
After Skengdo & AM's 'Mad About Bars' freestyle in April 2017, fans were demanding a freestyle involving BT, Rendo and Tiny Syikes. 410 ended the year by dropping it for Christmas:
In January, 410 dropped a Radar Radio freestyle with Peckham's Zone 2. The freestyle is notable for the shots AM takes at Harlem Spartans and Moscow17. Those bars are later used in his track 'Attempted 1.0
In March 2018, Oboy (a member of Kennington's Kuku gang) released 'WDYM'. The track takes direct shots at 410 members including AM, Skengdo, Young AM, Blackz and Syikes:
- Oboy (Kuku) in WDYM: "AM's a f\cking neek, Skengdo's a f*cking tramp, Young AM ran from man, Blackz did too..."*
410 members responded directly with 'Attempted 2.0' and their own 'WDYM', taking shots at Kuku and Harlem members:
The rise and fall of of JaySlapit
Young 410 member Jayslapit
made his music entrance in 2017 with 'J.T.F.I
' and the Westwood Crib Session alongside Young AM and Blackz. In 2018, JaySlapit raised his profile with more song releases and two acclaimed solo freestyles. JaySlapit's rise was halted after being imprisoned for 11 years on firearm and drugs charges:
Negative media spotlight on UK Drill affects 410
Moscow17 is a gang based on the Brandon Estate in Walworth (SE17). They are enemies of 410, and they border 410's territory. In 2018, two prominent Moscow members and drill rappers were murdered: 17-year old GB was shot dead
May 2018, and 23 year-old Incognito was stabbed to death
in August 2018.
Prominent 410 member Tiny Syikes
was shot in Myatts Field in May 2018. Incidents like these put an intense media spotlight on the gang violence in the area, and wider events in London whipped up a media frenzy over UK Drill music:
In 2018, London's Metropolitan Police responded by increasingly censoring and banning UK Drill. This included deleting popular UK Drill videos and forcing new content to be censored. Skengdo & AM were hit with a gang injunction, banning them from performing 'gang-related' music at their December tour.
Skengdo & AM tours and new mixtape
Skengdo & AM were signed by the label Finesse Foreva (FF). In March and April they took part in their first tour, with three dates in Birmingham, Manchester and London:
In September, Skengdo & AM released their second mixtape, 'Greener On The Other Side
'. The mixtape is notable for the track 'Pitbulls' featuring Chief Keef, a landmark UK-US drill collaboration:
The duo ended 2018 with a December tour, with five dates in Manchester, London, Bristol, Nottingham and Birmingham:
2019 Legal trouble for Skengdo & AM
In January 2019, Skengdo
were nearly sent to prison after violating their police gang injunction. During their December 2018 tour they performed material that had been banned by the police, so they were given suspended prison sentences:
In April 2019, Skengdo & AM had an interview with BBC Radio 1Xtra, in which they discussed their gang injunction and police censorship:
Skengdo & AM maintain consistency
Despite their January legal troubles, Skengdo & AM continued releasing music. The duo dropped two tracks early in the year:
In July, AM released a highly rated solo track:
BT, Rendo, Tiny Syikes and YS return to music
In 2019, legendary 410 duo BT
returned to music for the first time in over a year. They dropped 'Longtime' in February, referring to how long it's been since they last released material: Tiny Syikes
(now also known as TrapStack
) also returned to music in 2019, for the first time since being shot in May 2018: YS
also returned to music in 2019 under the name SMoney.
After releasing a solo track
, this collaboration with Rendo was their first visual release together in four years:
Alongside the return of several older 410 members, younger members including Sparkz
, Lil Rass
, Young AM
kept up 410's relevance in 2019:
Skengdo & AM drop the 'Back Like We Never Left' mixtape
From August, Skengdo & AM started dropping material from their new mixtape. The young member JaySlapit
had sent to prison for 11 years, so the duo released '3 JaySlapit' in his honour:
In September the duo released 'Crash x GBG', a collaboration with Angell Town artists M24 and Stickz, as well as the more mellow 'Tugg':
In October, the 'Back Like We Never Left
' mixtape was released. Two more music videos from the project dropped:
Skengdo & AM finished the year by dropping a Daily Duppy freestyle on GRM Daily, and Skengdo's hotspot freestyle on Pacman TV:
started the year with individual Hotspot freestyles:
In January, a music video for 'No Love' was also released. The track is a collaboration with 17/TOG (Wandsworth Road) and was recorded before JaySlapit
went to prison:
That's a brief history of 410. It could have been longer but that's more than enough 😂
For anyone wondering, my favourite 410 song from the early drill era is 4 Door Coming
, and my favourite from the recent drill era is Trapping & Stacking
Two of the greatest NBA players of all time are Michael Jordan and LeBron James. Both have fans who will go to bat for them as the GOAT. Many Jordan fans will point to his six rings and astronomical scoring numbers not seen since the heyday of Wilt Chamberlain. Many LeBron fans will cite his impeccable all around game and nearly unmatched longevity.
I wanted to take a look at how each player compared on a year by year basis, starting when each player was 21 years old (Jordan's age in his rookie season). As a result, LeBron's first two years in the league will not be taken into account in this analysis. Part I can be found here
. We've already looked at the first half of each player's career, now let's look at the second half.
Age 28 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||30.1 ||6.4 ||6.1 ||2.3 ||0.9 ||0.579 ||27.7 ||17.7 |
|LeBron ||26.8 ||8.0 ||7.3 ||1.7 ||0.9 ||0.640 ||31.6 ||19.3 |
The Bulls continued their dominance following their championship season, topping their franchise record set the year before with 67 wins. Jordan once again led the league in scoring by posting 30.1 points on 52% shooting and won his second consecutive NBA MVP award, his third MVP overall, and was again elected to the All NBA and All Defensive First Teams. The Bulls would face the 8th seeded Miami Heat in the first round of the playoffs, the first time Miami would play in the postseason. However, the Bulls would spoil this run for the Heat, sweeping Miami in 3 games with Jordan dropping 56 points in Game 3. In the second round, the Bulls faced the 4th seeded Knicks, who surprised the Bulls by winning Game 1 in Chicago to take a quick series lead. The Bulls brought the series back however, and eventually went to a Game 7. After struggling a bit in the earlier games, Jordan poured it on in Game 7, scoring 42 points as the Bulls blew out the Knicks. The Bulls went on to defeat the 3rd seed Cavaliers in 6 games, moving on to their second straight Finals appearance. The Bulls faced the Portland Trailblazers and Jordan pounced on them from the start. In Game 1, Jordan scored a Finals record 35 points in the first half, including six 3 pointers. After the sixth made three, Jordan jogged back up the court looking at Marv Albert while shrugging. Chicago once again gave up home court advantage as the Blazers won Game 2, but quickly regained it in Game 3 before ultimately taking a 3-2 series lead going into Game 6. Jordan scored 33 points in the deciding game, capping off another championship season for the Bulls. He was once again named the Finals MVP, posting 35.8 points, 4.8 rebounds, and 6.5 assists per game while shooting 53% from the floor.
LeBron James had his most impressive year to date in terms of shooting efficiency, including setting several efficiency records in the month of February. The Heat also won 27 games in a row, the third longest streak in NBA history. Miami finished the year with a franchise record 66 wins and James won his second consecutive, and fourth overall, MVP award as well as being voted to the All NBA and All Defensive First Teams. The Heat swept the Milwaukee Bucks before meeting the Chicago Bulls in the second round. The Bulls stunned the seemingly unstoppable Heat by taking Game 1 thanks to a 27 point performance from Nate Robinson. The Heat were unable to score in the last 2 minutes of the game as the Bulls stole home court advantage. Despite the minor set back, the Heat won the next 3 games by double digits before finding themselves trailing in going into the fourth quarter of Game 5 77-69. The Heat scored 25 points in the closing period, narrowly defeating the Bulls and moving on to the Conference Finals once more where they faced off against the Indiana Pacers. Game 1 turned into a thriller, as Paul George hit the game typing 3 pointer to send the game into OT. Not to be outdone, LeBron scored the game winning layup in overtime, finishing with a statline of 30points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists. In spite of this, the Pacers gave the Heat all they could handle, sending the series to a deciding Game 7. LeBron scored 32 as the Heat overwhelmed the Pacers, blowing them out and advancing to the Finals for the third straight year where James would have a rematch against the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs took Game 1 despite James posting a statline of 18 points, 18 rebounds, and 10 assits. The next four games were blowouts for either team, and the Spurs led the series 3-2 going into Game 6. With the Spurs leading 95-92 in the closing seconds, LeBron missed the game tying three pointer. The shot was rebounded by Chris Bosh, who found Ray Allen open on the wing. Allen hit the three with 5.6 second remaining, in what would become one of the most clutch shots in Playoff history. The Heat went on to win the game in overtime and went back to Miami for the deciding Game 7. LeBron had 37 points and 12 rebound in the final game, leading the Heat to the win and securing their second straight NBA championship. He was named the Finals MVP after posting 25.3 points, 10.9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 2.3 steals in the series.
Age 29 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||32.6 ||6.7 ||5.5 ||2.8 ||0.8 ||0.564 ||29.7 ||17.2 |
|LeBron ||27.1 ||6.9 ||6.3 ||1.6 ||0.3 ||0.649 ||29.3 ||15.9 |
Despite another eye popping statline from Jordan where he led the league for a 7th straight year (tying Wilt Chamberlain's record streak), he did not win the MVP award, losing it to Charles Barkley of the Phoenix Suns. However, the Bulls still secured the second seed, and swept the Atlanta Hawks in the first round of the Playoffs. The Bulls handily won Games 1, 2, and 3 against the Cavs in the second round. In a tightly contested Game 4, Jordan hit the series winning shot at the buzzer, an all too familiar sight for the Cavaliers. In the Conference Finals, the Bulls once again faced off against he New York Knicks who had the first seed that year. The Knicks won both games at home, and the Bulls were down 2-1 heading into Game 4. Jordan scored 54 points, the most against the Knicks in a Playoff game, to even the series at 2-2. Game 5 was a close one, with BJ Armstrong scoring the go ahead 3 with 1:16 left that turned out to be the game winning shot. In an iconic defensive flurry, Charles Smith was blocked four times at the end of the game by Horace Grant, Michael Jordan, and Scottie Pippen. The Bulls went on to win Game 6, and advanced to the Finals for the third straight year. The Bulls faced off against the Phoenix Suns featuring league MVP Charles Barkley. The Bulls jumped to an early 2-0 lead despite the Suns having home court advantage thanks to a 31 point Game 1 and 42 point Game 2 from Jordan. Game 2 started a 4 game stretch where Jordan scored 40 or more points, including 55 points in game 4. However, the Bulls lost 2 of these games, including a triple overtime classic in Game 3. With the Bulls up 3-2, Game 6 was another close game. Withe 3.9 seconds remaining, John Paxson hit the go ahead 3 pointer for the Bulls. Kevin Johnson tried to retaliate but was blocked by Horace Grant at the buzzer giving the Bulls their third straight NBA Championship. Jordan had a historic series, averaging 41 points per game, the highest points per game average in a Finals round. Jordan was named the Finals MVP for the third straight year for his impressive efforts.
In a year where the Heat suffered several injuries, LeBron anchored the team that sported 20 different starting lineups throughout the season. This included a career high 61 point game against the Charlotte Bobcats, and he once again had an amazingly efficient shooting year, averaging 56.7% from the field. The Heat would face the Bobcats in the first round of the playoffs, and handily swept them thanks to LeBron's heavy scoring output. The Heat faced the Nets in the second round and, despite losing all four games against them in the regular season, managed to take the series fairly easily 4 games to 1, including a 49 outburst from James in Game 4. In a rematch of the previous season's Eastern Conference Finals, the Heat faced the Indiana Pacers. The Pacers took an early lead in the series, defeating the two time defending champions by 10 points in Game 1. In a tight Game 2, LeBron and Wade combined for the Heat's last 20 points, narrowly defeating the Pacers and taking home court advantage. With a 3-1 lead in Game 5, Paul George kept the Pacers afloat with 37 points, as the Pacers staved off elimination. The Heat would take the series in 6, thanks to 25 points each from LeBron James and Chris Bosh, and returned to the Finals for the fourth straight season where they would again face the San Antonio Spurs. In Game 1, LeBron missed much of the fourth quarter due to leg cramps, and the Spurs took a 1-0 lead in the series. In Game 2, LeBron retaliated with a 35 point performance, evening the series at 1-1 in a 2 point win. The rest of the series was all San Antonio, with Kawhi Leonard scoring a career high 29 points as the Spurs blew out the Heat in Game 3 and won convincingly again in Game 4. In Game 5, Miami got out to a fast start, taking a 22-6 lead to start the game with LeBron scoring 17 points in the first quarter alone, finishing with a 29-22 lead heading into the second. However, the Spurs hot shooting continued as they outscored the Heat 82-58 in the remaining three quarters despite LeBron's 31 points and 10 rebounds, avenging their loss from the previous year.
Age 30 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||88 H ||17 2B ||1 3B ||3 HR ||51 RBI ||0.202 BA ||0.289 OBP ||0.266 SLG |
|LeBron ||25.3 ||6.0 ||7.4 ||1.6 ||0.7 ||0.577 ||25.9 ||10.4 |
On October 6th, 1993, Jordan announced that he was retiring from basketball, stating that he had lost his desire to play. Jordan would later say that the murder of his father, who had always envisioned him as a professional baseball player, also influenced his decision. In the 1998 autobiography, Jordan stated that he had plans on retiring as early as 1992. His number 23 was retired by the Bulls on November 1st 1994, and a statue of Jordan was erected outside the United Center. During his retirement, Jordan played AA baseball for a Chicago White Sox affiliate, the Birmingham Barons.
After opting out of the final year of his contract with the Heat, LeBron returned to the Cavaliers as a free agent in the 2014 offseason. In addition to James, the Cavaliers acquired Kevin Love from the Minnesota Timeberwolves, making a new big three with James, Love, and Cavaliers All Star point guard Kyrie Irving. James missed two weeks of the season in January, the longest stretch of missed games in his entire NBA career. The Cavs clinched the second seed, and swept their old rivals the Boston Celtics in the first round. The Cavs split the first two games with the Bulls in the second round, and lost Game 3 to a buzzer-beater 3 from Derrick Rose, putting them in a 2-1 hole. James returned the favor in Game 4, hitting a buzzer-beater of his own as the Cavs won 86-84. The Cavs won Game 5 behind 38 points and 12 rebounds from James and taking a 3-2 series lead before blowing out the Bulls in Game 6. The Cavs faced the number 1 seeded Atlanta Hawks in the Conference Finals. Despite this, the Cavs swept the series, including an overtime win in Game 3 where LeBron notched 37 points, 18 rebounds, and 13 assists. In the Finals, the Cavaliers faced the Golden State Warriors led by Steph Curry and rookie coach Steve Kerr. Despite 44 points from James, the Cavaliers lost in overtime as the Warriors took a 1-0 series lead. Irving fractured his kneecap in the overtime period and Kevin Love had been injured in the first round, leaving LeBron as the only member of the Cavs Big 3 to play the remaining Finals games and forcing the Cavs to play a slower and more physical style of play. James rose to the challenge in Game 2, scoring 39 points to go along with 16 rebound and 11 assists as the Cavs edged the Warriors 95-93 in overtime. LeBron followed up the performance with 40 points and 12 rebounds in Game 3, leading the undermanned Cavs to a surprising 2-1 series lead. The rest of the series, Kerr opted to go with a smaller line-up, putting Draymond Green at center and starting Andre Iguodala in order to guard James. The strategy worked, and the Warriors soundly defeated the Cavs the next three games despite some stellar performances from James, winning their first championship since 1975. James finished the series with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game in the Finals and received 4 out of 11 votes for Finals MVP despite the losing effort.
Age 31 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||26.9 ||6.9 ||5.3 ||1.8 ||0.8 ||0.493 ||22.1 ||2.3 |
|LeBron ||25.3 ||7.4 ||6.8 ||1.4 ||0.6 ||0.588 ||27.5 ||13.6 |
In March of 1995, Jordan quit baseball due to the MLB strike and on March 18th, Jordan announced in a two word press release: "I'm back". The next night, Jordan, sporting the number 45 instead of his retired 23, returned to the floundering Bulls and scored 19 points in his return. In his fourth game back, Jordan hit the game winning shot against the Hawks and followed that up with a 55 point game against the Knicks the next game. The Bulls finished with a record of 13-4 in the 17 games Jordan played, making the Playoffs as the fifth seed. The Bulls defeated the Charlotte Hornets 3-1 in the first round, including a 48 point game from Jordan in Game 1. The Bulls faced the 1 seed Orlando Magic, led by young center Shaquille O'Neal, in the second round of the Playoffs. In Game 1, Jordan scored only 19 points and Nick Anderson stole the ball from him in the closing moments of the game, prompting Anderson to comment that Jordan was playing like a 45 year old and that "number 45 doesn't explode like number 23 used to", in reference to Jordan's new jersey number. Former Bulls player Horace Grant made the game winning dunk after the steal with 6.2 second left to give the Magic a 1-0 series lead. Jordan switched back to his number 23 jersey for Game 2 and responded with 38 points as the Bulls beat the Magic by 10 to even the series. The teams split the next two games before the Magic won Games 5 and 6, advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals despite Jordan averaging 33.4 points per game in Games 2-6. The Magic would advance to the Finals, where they lost to the previous year's champion, the Houston Rockets. This would be Michael Jordan's last career playoff series loss.
LeBron led the Cavs to 57 wins, securing the number 1 seed in the East despite the mid-season firing of head coach David Blatt. The Cavs advanced to the Finals once more, sweeping the Pistons and Hawks in the first two rounds, and defeating the Toronto Raptors 4 -2 in the Eastern Conference Finals. The Cavs would once again face the heavily favored Warriors, who had won an NBA record 73 games in the regular season. In Games 1 and 2, the Warriors blew out the Cavs before getting blown out themselves in Game 3. The Warriors won by 11 on the back of 38 points from league MVP Steph Curry, putting the Cavaliers in a 3-1 hole. James and Irving both scored 41 points in Game 5 and James scored another 41 in Game 6 to even the series at 3 games a piece. Game 7 was tightly contested the entire way. With less than 2 minutes remaining and the score tied at 89, Andre Iguodala drove down the lane on a fast break for the go ahead layup attempt. James caught up to Iguodala and pinned the shot against the backboard in one of his most iconic career highlights. Kyrie Irving nailed a dagger 3 with less than a minute to play, sealing the win for the Cavaliers who became the first Cleveland team in 52 years to win a championship in one of the four major sports, the first championship for the Cavaliers franchise, and becoming the first team to win a Finals after trailing 3-1 in the series. LeBron led all players from both teams in all 5 statistical categories, and was unanimously selected as the Finals MVP, the third such award in his career.
Age 32 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||30.4 ||6.6 ||4.3 ||2.2 ||0.5 ||0.582 ||29.4 ||20.4 |
|LeBron ||26.4 ||8.6 ||8.7 ||1.2 ||0.6 ||0.619 ||27.0 ||12.9 |
Motivated by his first defeat in the Playoffs since 1990, Jordan put his all into training for the 1995-96 season. The Bulls also acquired rebounding and defensive specialist Dennis Rodman, and the Bulls jumped out the a 41-3 start. The Bulls finished with a 72-10 record, at that point the best regular season record in NBA history. Jordan led the league in scoring for the 8th time in his career, and won the MVP award for the fourth. The Bulls made short work of the Heat in the first round, blowing Miami out in each of the series 3 games to complete the sweep. The Bulls defeated the Knicks 4-1 in the second round, and advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals for a rematch with the Orlando Magic. The Bulls, looking to avenge their defeat from the previous year, jumped on the Magic early and blew them out by 38 points in Game1, eventually sweeping them to return to the Finals once more. The Bulls matched up with the Seattle Supersonics led by Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp, jumping out to a quick 3-0 lead in the series. The Sonics battled back over next two games, cutting the series lead to 3-2. However, the Bulls proved too much, and Jordan's all around statline of 22 points, 9 rebounds, and 7 assists led the Bulls to the series win. This was Jordan's first championship since his father was murdered, and Game 6 happened to occur on Father's Day, leading to an emotional scene with Jordan crying on the locker room floor while clutching the game ball. Jordan was named the Finals MVP of the series, becoming the first player to ever win 4 Finals MVP awards and becoming only the second player to win the All Star Game MVP, regular season MVP, and Finals MVP in the same season.
In a year that LeBron described as one of the strangest of his career, the Cavaliers finished with a 51-31 record while James set new career highs in rebounds per game and assists per game at the age of 32. James and the Cavaliers faced a familiar rival in the first round of the playoffs, the Indiana Pacers. The Cavaliers narrowly defeated the Pacers in Games 1 and 2, but found themselves trailing at halftime of Game 3 by 25 points. LeBron registered 41 points, 13 rebounds, and 12 assists as the Cavs came back to win Game 3 by five, making it one of the largest comebacks in NBA playoff history. The Cavaliers won Game 4 to complete the sweep despite the series being much closer than the series score would indicate, with the Cavs winning no game by more than 6 points. In the Conference Finals against the Boston Celtics, the Cavs rolled to a 2-0 series lead behind 38 and 30 point performances from LeBron. The Celtics defeated the Cavs on a buzzer beater 3 from Avery Bradley in Game 3 before being blown out again in Games 4 and 5. In Game 5 of the sereis, LeBron scored 35 points and surpassed Michael Jordan to become the all time leader in postseason scoring. The Cavaliers would meet the Golden State Warriors, who had signed free agent forward Kevin Durant in the off-season, for the third consecutive year in the Finals. Despite becoming the first player to average a triple double in a Finals series with 33.6 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 assists per game, LeBron and the Cavs were no match for the Warriors who took the series in 5 games. Durant scored 30 or more points in each of the five games of the series on his way to his first Finals MVP award.
Age 33 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||29.6 ||5.9 ||4.3 ||1.7 ||0.5 ||0.567 ||27.8 ||18.3 |
|LeBron ||27.5 ||8.6 ||9.1 ||1.4 ||0.9 ||0.621 ||28.6 ||14.0 |
The 1996-97 was the first full year that Jordan played in where he would not averaged at least 30 points per game since his rookie year. Even so, this became the ninth year that Jordan would lead the league in scoring, as the Bulls narrowly missed consecutive 70 win seasons, losing the final two games of the year to finish 69-13. Jordan once again lost the MVP to a Western Conference Power Forward, this time the award going to Utah Jazz big man Karl Malone. The Bulls returned to the Finals after sweeping the Washington Bullets and defeating both the Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat 4 games to 1. The Bulls would face the Utah Jazz in the NBA Finals, led by Malone and point guard John Stockton. In Game 1, Jordan notched 31 points, 2 of which were the game winning shot at the buzzer, to go along with 8 assists. He then scored 38 in Game 2 to put the Bulls up 2-0. Despite Scottie Pippen making a then Finals record 7 three pointers in Game 3, Jordan shot poorly in Games 3 and 4, going just 20-45 from the floor as the Jazz crept back to tie the series at 2 games a piece. In what became known as the "Flu Game", Jordan played 44 minutes and scored 38 points, including the go ahead three pointer with 25 seconds remaining, in a pivotal Game 5 despite being feverish and dehydrated due to a stomach virus. After the final buzzer, Jordan slumped into Scottie Pippen's arms in an iconic scene that would become synonymous with the "Flu Game". Jordan followed up this performance with a 39 point, 11 rebound outing in Game 6, leading the Bulls to their fifth championship and earning an unprecedented fifth Finals MVP award.
In the 2017 offseason, the Cavaliers overhauled their roster, trading All Star guard Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics who cited that he no longer desired to play with LeBron James. The Cavs got off to a rocky start to the season, eventually making a number of trades in February that essentially overhauled the roster a second time that season. Despite another great season from James, including setting a career high in assists for the second straight year, the Cavaliers stumbled into the Playoffs as the 4th seed, their worst placement since James's return to Cleveland. The Cavs faced the Pacers in the first round, who blew out Cleveland in Game 1 behind 32 points from Victor Oladipo. The teams split the first 4 games, with Game 5 coming down to the wire. LeBron scored 44 points, including the game winning 3 at the buzzer to give the Cavs a 3-2 series lead. The Pacers blew the Cavs out once again in Game 6 behind Oladipo's triple double to force a deciding Game 7. Despite Oladipo posting a LeBron-esque statline of 30 points, 12 rebounds, and 6 assists, James scored 45 points to edge the Pacers and take the series. The Cavs faced the 1 seeded Raptors in the second round, narrowly taking Game 1 with a 1 point victory in overtime. LeBron's 43 in Game 2 led to a blowout in Cleveland's favor, and a fadeaway bank shot at the buzzer in Game 3 gave the Cavs a 3-0 lead before eventually blowing out the Raptors in Game 4 to complete the sweep. The Cavs faced the Celtics in the Conference Finals for the second consecutive year, with the young Celtics taking a quick 2-0 lead in the series despite missing former Cavalier Kyrie Irving and All Star forward Gordon Hayward to injuries. The Cavs took Games 3 and 4 at home before losing once more to the Celtics in Boston. LeBron notched 46 points, 11 rebounds, and 9 assists to lead the Cavs to a win in Game 6, following up the performance with a 35 point, 15 rebound, 9 assist Game 7 to lead the Cavaliers back to the Finals where they would face the Warriors for a 4th straight season. In Game 1, James scored a career Playoff high 51 points in an overtime loss. A frustrated James punched a wall in the locker room after the loss, injuring his shooting hand and hampering his shot for the rest of the series. The Warriors rolled through the next three games despite LeBron's averages of 34 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 10 assists per game in the series. The Warriors won their second consecutive championship and third in four years as Kevin Durant won his second Finals MVP award.
Age 34 Seasons
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||28.7 ||5.8 ||3.5 ||1.7 ||0.5 ||0.533 ||25.2 ||15.8 |
|LeBron ||? ||? ||? ||? ||? ||? ||? ||? |
Despite averaging even less points per game than the previous year, Jordan led the league in scoring for a record 10th time, the final year he would do so. The Bulls posted a respectable 62-20 record to secure the first seed in the East as Jordan once again won the All Star Game MVP and his fifth regular season MVP. The Bulls swept the Nets in the first round with Jordan scoring 38 points in the deciding game. The Bulls faced Charlotte in the second round, where the Hornets upset the Bulls in Game 2 with Jordan only scoring 22 points in the game. The Bulls responded, winning the next three games handily to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals for the third straight year. The Indiana Pacers gave the Bulls a run for their money, forcing a Game 7, the first time Jordan played in a Game 7 since the 1992 playoffs against the Knicks. The Bulls held a 2-1 lead heading into Game 4 thanks to Jordan's scoring. Game 4 went down to the wire, with Reggie Miller hitting the game winning three with 0.7 seconds left to tie the series at 2 games a piece. The Bulls dominated Game 5, but lost Game 6 despite Jordan scoring 35 and Miller going 2-13 from the field for only 8 points. The Bulls managed to edge the Pacers in Game 7 behind a near triple double from Jordan who posted 28 points, 9 rebounds, and 8 assists. Jordan and the Bulls moved on to the Finals for a rematch from the previous year with the Utah Jazz. The Jazz took Game 1 in overtime despite Jordan's 33 points, but the Bulls bounced back in Game 2 behind Jordan's 37 points to even the series at 1-1. In Game 3, the Jazz set a scoring record, and not the good kind, by totaling only 54 points throughout the 48 minute game. At the time, it was the lowest number of points scored in any NBA game, and remains the lowest number of points scored in the Finals since the inception of the shot clock in 1954. The Bulls won Game 4 behind Jordan's 34 points and 8 rebounds, only to narrowly miss completing a 7 point comeback in the final 2 minutes of Game 5. In Game 6, the Bulls trailed the Jazz 86-83 with 41.9 seconds remaining. After a timeout, Jordan received the inbound pass and hit a shot to cut the Jazz lead to 1. The Jazz brought the ball back down and got the ball to Karl Malone in the post. Jordan sneaked in behind Malone and stole the ball. Jordan passed half-court and ran the clock down. With 10 seconds remaining, Jordan began to make a move on Jazz guard on Byron Russell, crossing him over at the free throw line and causing him to fall with Jordan possibly pushing him to create more space. With 5.2 seconds remaining in the game, Jordan hit the series winning jumper, and his last shot as a member of the Chicago Bulls. Stockton missed a desperation 3 pointer at the buzzer, and the Bulls won their 6th championship in 8 years. Jordan averaged 33.5 points per game in the series, including 45 points in the deciding Game 6, and won his record sixth and final Finals MVP award, once again completing the season MVP sweep. After a lengthy lockout period, Michael Jordan would once again retire from basketball on January 13, 1999. Jordan became part owner and president of basketball operations of the Washington Wizards, and eventually returned to the court as a player with the Wizards from 2001-2003. On April 16th, 2003, Jordan played in his final NBA game, and retired for good at the end of the 2003 season.
As for LeBron, we're all caught up with his career now as we wait to see what he'll do as a Laker. In an interview with Sports Illustrated
, James's agent, Rich Paul, explained, "In 2010, when he went to Miami, it was about championships. In 2014, when he went back to Cleveland, it was about delivering on a promise. In 2018, it was just about doing what he wants to do." Despite getting into his mid-thrities, it certainly seems like LeBron can still do pretty much what he wants to do on the court. Despite his age, he still appears to be the greatest player in the world, even if he's not winning regluar season MVP awards anymore.
So what can we draw from this comparison? Well for starters, Michael Jordan and LeBron James are both really good at basketball. For me personally, it was interesting to see how similar their careers were in terms of accolades and recognition. Breaking it down year by year, it was easy to see how each player developed and overcame their Playoff woes early on in their careers, making their eventual success that much sweeter. It's no wonder most fans have Jordan and James as number 1 and 2 all time.
Career Averages (Age 21-33)
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||31.7 ||6.3 ||5.6 ||2.6 ||0.9 ||0.584 ||29.4 ||188.7 |
|LeBron ||27.7 ||7.5 ||7.3 ||1.6 ||0.8 ||0.596 ||28.6 ||200.0 |
Career Playoff Averages (Age 21-33)
|Player ||PTS ||REB ||AST ||STL ||BLK ||TS% ||PER ||WS |
|Jordan ||33.6 ||6.6 ||6.0 ||2.2 ||0.9 ||0.571 ||28.7 ||34.9 |
|LeBron ||28.9 ||8.9 ||7.1 ||1.8 ||1.0 ||0.579 ||28.3 ||51.0 |
Michael Jordan Career Overview
- 6x NBA Champion
- 6x Finals MVP
- 5x Most Valuable Player
- 14x All Star
- 10x All-NBA First Team
- 1x All-NBA Second Team
- Defensive Player of the Year
- 9x All-Defensive First Team
- 10x scoring champion
- 3x steals leader
LeBron James Career Overview
- 3x NBA Champion
- 3x Finals MVP
- 4x Most Valuable Player
- 14x All Star
- 12x All-NBA First Team
- 2x All-NBA Second Team
- 5x All-Defensive First Team
- 1x All-Defensive Second Team
- 1x scoring champion